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"The afternoon of July 11, 2001, the day after Karen died, there was a knock on the door and a couple, good friends of ours, appeared to spend time with us and comfort us. "Let's take a look at Isaiah 57:1," Jere said, opening his Bible. Then he read the passage: "The good men perish; the godly die before their time, and no one seems to care or wonder why. No one seems to realize that God is taking them away from evil days ahead. For the godly who die shall rest in peace." (Living Bible Translation)" From Angel Promises, p.183.

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Kathie talks about how the book about her daughter Karen came to be written.
28 minutes 4 Seconds Recorded 6 July 2007

 
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"As I began to put out there her words, and her inspiration, because she had such an ability to inspire people, I wanted to see that continue, that was part of it. But as I began to get into her writings and put that out there, I found she was refreshing me. I was addressing things that people were discussing for eons. Like why do good people suddenly die for no good reason? There are spiritual principles that are just as real and have just as much force as the law of gravity or the law of physics. There were some things that were set in motion out there, the people did them out of ignorance......and it climaxed in a huge disaster.


Angel Promises: KARENLEEFITZPATRICK.COM

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"What happened after that is the story of how a no-account wildfire in a remote corner of the Northwest cut off and trapped a group of firefighters, who were joined by two civilians who came out of nowhere. The fire gave everyone time to prepare, though the time was wasted. And then it rose in fury, took an unexpected twist, and swept to it's horrific climax." (From The Thirtymile Fire p.4). "Why did the Thirtymile Fire take the fatal left hook and blast a tiny area that became the fatality site, when everyone thought it was going to pass safely by? "(p.141).

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PART 1
32 minutes 11 seconds. Recorded 17 July 2007
John talks about fire management in the forest, and how the Thirtymile Fire was fought.

 
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"Well they got dragged into a ....I don't even want to call it a plan....it was something that had been communicated...badly..which is,.'Why don't you try and stop the fire from crossing the road? You don't have to do it, but maybe we can do that.' Well, why? There was nothing on the other side of the road to save, you are not talking about commercial or even recreational timber values. "......and because of that you wind up with over forty people committed to a fire, in the middle of the afternoon, the hottest part of the day, a fire that had blown up, that they knew they couldn't handle, in the most dangerous time of year, in a very narrow canyon, that everybody had been told was going to burn out."

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27 minutes 53 seconds. Recorded 17 July 2007
John discusses the legal ramifications of the Thirtymile Fire and some of the challenges faced now by fire managers.

 
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"Tragedy is our greatest drama. This fire has not been allowed to become a complete tragedy yet. Because there has been no catharsis. There has been no completion. There has been no sense that everything's finished; you have been drained of pity and compassion and fear and you can walk away from this now. You can't walk away from this one."

"Ellreese Daniels is alone in the dock. His trial is scheduled for October 15th this story is not over. .....A lot of people made mistakes that day why aren't they there? The U.S. Attorney in Spokane who is pursuing this is saying this is not going to be a precedent for other wildland firefighters because it's such an extreme case of negligence, I'm sorry, it's already a precedent, because he's been indicted. How can James McDevitt
speak for other U.S. Attorneys? How does he know that other U.S. Attorneys will say, 'Well the case that I'm looking at isn't as bad as the one that McDevitt did, with Ellreese Daniels, therefore I'm not going to do anything about it.'.......".....he's trying to calm people down. I don't think he speaks for other prosecutors."


The Thirtymile Fire by John Norman Maclean

The Thirtymile Fire: A Chronicle of Bravery and Betrayal


Thirtymile Fire Links

Seattle Times: Review     Local News Series

USDA: Thirtymile File Index

Wildland Fire: Wildland Fire Home   Pictures

Last Alarm: Last Alarm Home

Wildland Fire Leadership Development Program
(with audio interviews) Fireleadership.gov


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Updated 21 July 2007 0750 La Grande, Oregon, 63 degrees F.